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PostSubject: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:43 pm

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:14 pm

YES! I won after like 6 tries
Take it!
Wear it!
Eat s*** and die!
Owned that mofo

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:28 pm

I won first time lol. Still addictive as hell.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:50 pm

wont on the firts time...just separate the stacks and own that monkey!

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:37 pm

am i playing it wrong? i can eat the entire 1st stack, and then he takes the other, then i win?
so easy? or am i just that good?

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:39 pm

Okay on second look, brute's strategy is flawless

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:29 pm

I didn't even notice what was going on the first two games but when I realized you could take multiple muffins I was able to win.

If the monkey is able to make 2 stacks of 3 you lose. So I go for 3/4 and then I win. And stuff like that I don't know there is a pattern. The monkey makes a lot of bad moves anyways.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:39 am

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am i playing it wrong? i can eat the entire 1st stack, and then he takes the other, then i win?
so easy? or am i just that good?


It depends on how much muffins the monkey eats sometimes it eats only one muffin or then on the other times just the whole stack
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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:19 pm

if hea just eats one, and there are 2 stacks left, only go for half the other stack,

this game was wayyyyy simple....then again im probably playing it wrong

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:29 pm

Your just too smart, I rarely win the monkey:P

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:39 pm

its doubtful. i think im playing wrong. ill give it another go

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:43 pm

Your not, the point is to eat the last muffin if you win the monkey will be shocked or then his both eyes will be X shaped or the monkey pouts. If you loseit will laugh at you.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:47 pm

ok this game is simple. i won 5 times in a row with out sweat. heres how its done. the stacks will be reprewsented as such. [ x , x , x ]
where "x" is hypothetical number of muffins left.

ok round 1
[ 8 , 7 , 8] completely made up. you always go first. take 1 stack of entire muffins. stack doesnt matter, ill go for the one on the left

second round
[0 , 7 , 8] 2 scenarios, monkey takes whole stack, or monkey doesnt take whole stack. if monkey takes whole stack, proceed to 4th round. if money DOESNT take entire stack, then take all but one from the stack, or leave him with 2 muffins. or halve one stack, just so that by the



wait., i played again for reference. seems te comp got smarter. now im always down to [ 0, 2 2, ] with my logic.

seems i have mis-underestimated the monkey. way to go comp

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:52 pm

Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:35 pm

The monkey occasionally pulls off crazy mindblowing tricks

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:54 pm

Okay I've gotten a pretty good understanding of the game and I swear the last one I just played was impossible to win. I don't know. There are several patterns I can just free lance it now and usually win.

I can predict the move the monkey will make sometimes in the beginning. He's trying to accomplish the same thing I'm trying to accomplish.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:55 pm

lool
i've never lost on this game...whats so hard about?

just having 2 final stacks and thats it....

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:05 pm

If you just take an entire stack you automatically lose if the monkey makes the right move. You have to keep the stacks uneven but you just have to be able to tell whether or not the monkey will be able to force you into "zugzwang." I mean you have to make sure the monkey can't make two stacks even on his turn. I'm not sure how it works with three stacks yet.

Also I'm pretty sure the monkey gets harder. First round he is retarded. Later rounds I actually see him do things that think ahead several turns.

If the monkey makes all three stacks even on his turn then he loses but he won't unless he is being ridiculous.

Also avoid this configuration...

3 2 1

If it comes to you like that on your turn then you lose. Not sure about 4 3 2 and others though. Avoiding the 321 configuration seems somewhat complicated maybe even impossible sometimes I'm not sure. It's these simple patterns though that should eventually allow one to find the perfect strategy going back to the very first move, and hope the game is designed to where you are always able to win with the first turn.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:20 pm

Okay it is my turn and it is the first turn of the game and it is...

5 4 3

Now I think this is impossible to win. Here are some of my move choices...

4 4 3
loses.

3 4 3
loses.

2 5 3
loses.

Anything else loses. I'm pretty sure this is impossible to win but someone else might find a way maybe I'm overlooking something, but I don't think so. This quite clearly seems to be a 100% lose from the get go. You can't make any two stacks even because he'll just take the last stack. On the other hand if you take enough muffins from one stack to maintain all stacks are uneven then he can quite easily get the "3 2 1" set up and then win.

So sometimes the game gives you an impossible scenario to win. Try it.

By the way I won because the monkey made a dumb move.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:49 pm

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i've never lost on this game...whats so hard about?

just having 2 final stacks and thats it....

yeah, ib, he gets progressively harder. play him 10 times in a row w/o losing.




and vc....you play chess? zumzwang, excellent german word, and i probably misspelled it. where did you learn this word?

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:54 pm

Yeah I learned it from chess. I'm not that good at chess though. My strengths lie in linear logic a lot more than spatial logic. With that said I suppose I can still play chess decently. I've studied it quite a bit but I haven't actually played it very much so I lack practice.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:12 pm

Wow contrary to what I thought
5 4 3
is actually a win if it comes to you that way on your turn! All you have to do is take 2 from the 3 stack and there is nothing the monkey can do to win. So this should help you win.

The more muffins there are stacked the more complicated it seems but eventually I'll find a winning formula and if I do I'll share it. I think I just beat one of the really hard versions of him. He seems to be omniscient at this point in the game if I make one mistake I lose.

Oh man I'm kicking his ass hard now this is fun.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:47 pm

Okay I can almost always win but it's kind of complicated to explain. You just have to avoid 5 4 3 if it is your turn. If it is 6 4 3 you have to take one from the 3 stack. I don't know there are a lot of things to know but your first move is the most important because there is only one right first move.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:48 pm

i won 9 times in a row...lol
without the algoristm...and crap

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:05 pm

Yeah yeah I know it's just us mathematician fools making everything more complex than it really is.

=P

PS: Get firefox or something I don't know why but if you take a whole stack the monkey should be raping you lol.

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:05 pm

im using firerox...i am firefox master...

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:43 am

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Yeah yeah I know it's just us mathematician fools making everything more complex than it really is.

=P

PS: Get firefox or something I don't know why but if you take a whole stack the monkey should be raping you lol.


yeah, i have FF, he raped me on the 3rd and fourth time

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:47 pm

Uhh...

This game is wicked dumb.

I always win. Sleep

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:10 pm

yeah thats my case

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PostSubject: Re: TAKE THE LAST MUFFIN!   Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:22 pm

and their more like Vanilla Wafers, not Muffins.

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